Coldheartedtruth

I would submit, that your reasoning is so flawed, it has to have been written by either someone under the age of 12, or with an IQ under 75.

I think k'putz hacked your account.

I wonder if you would be so kind to elaborate, HB? Tell us all "specifically" what part of the reasoning is "flawed"?

No time, ch, no time.

I will make but one comment.

We need comprehensive immigration reform, not a state by state patchwork. Ok, 2 comments. It appears on the surface, that the state law is attempting to pre-empt federal law. That ain't gonna fly. Whether or not there is federal enforcement is moot.

HB.... problem with your argument is that the State Law does not "pre-empt" federal law, but rather conforms to it exactly.

It doesn't create any "new" law that doesn't already exist.

1) The part where local police can ask for documentation. Legal aliens are required by federal law to carry at all times. How can the state law be considered an undue hardship when the federal law already exists that makes the requirement?

2) soliciting employment? Any "attempts" to commit a crime is considered a crime. Attempted murder, Attempted rape, solicitation of prostitution. Federal law makes it illegal to work... solicitation of work by nature would also be illegal.

HB... I suspect that this isn't a "Time" issue at all. You just have no real defense of your position.

The ruling makes good sense to me. In the judge's view the potential for harm to occur if the law is allowed to go into effect but is later found unconstitutional exceeds the potential for harm if the law does not go into effect but is later found constitutional. A short delay in implementing this won't do much harm, even if someone like you or Limbaugh has an apoplectic stroke because of it.

andy mccarthy absolutely destroys judge bolton's ruling

In essence, Judge Susan Bolton bought the Justice Department's preemption argument — i.e., the claim that the federal government has broad and exclusive authority to regulate immigration, and therefore that any state measure that is inconsistent with federal law is invalid. The Arizona law is completely consistent with federal law. The judge, however, twisted to concept of federal law into federal enforcement practices (or, as it happens, lack thereof). In effect, the court is saying that if the feds refuse to enforce the law the states can't do it either because doing so would transgress the federal policy of non-enforcement ... which is nuts.

The judge also employs a cute bit of sleight-of-hand. She repeatedly invokes a 1941 case, Hines v. Davidowitz, in which the Supreme Court struck down a state alien-registration statute. In Hines, the high court reasoned that the federal government had traditionally followed a policy of not treating aliens as "a thing apart," and that Congress had therefore "manifested a purpose ... to protect the liberties of law-abiding aliens through one uniform national system" that would not unduly subject them to "inquisitorial practices and police surveillance." But the Arizona law is not directed at law-abiding aliens in order to identify them as foreigners and subject them, on that basis, to police attention. It is directed at arrested aliens who are in custody because they have violated the law. And it is not requiring them to register with the state; it is requiring proof that they have properly registered with the federal government — something a sensible federal government would want to encourage.

Judge Bolton proceeds from this misapplication of Hines to the absurd conclusion that Arizona can't ask the federal government for verification of the immigration status of arrestees — even though federal law prohibits the said arrestees from being in the country unless they have legal status — because that would tremendously burden the feds, which in turn would make the arrestees wait while their status is being checked, which would result in the alien arrestees being treated like "a thing apart."

The ruling ignores that, in the much later case of Plyler v. Doe (1982), the Supreme Court has emphasized that

Although the State has no direct interest in controlling entry into this country, that interest being one reserved by the Constitution to the Federal Government, unchecked unlawful migration might impair the State's economy generally, or the State's ability to provide some important service. Despite the exclusive federal control of this Nation's borders, we cannot conclude that the States are without power to deter the influx of persons entering the United States against federal law, and whose numbers might have a discernible impact on traditional state concerns. [Emphasis added.]

Furthermore, as Matt Mayer of the Heritage Foundation notes, the Fifth Circuit federal appeals court similarly held in Lynch v. Cannatella (1987) that "No statute precludes other federal, state, or local law enforcement agencies from taking other action to enforce this nation's immigration laws."

However this ruling came out, it was only going to be the first round. Appeal is certain. But the gleeful Left may want to put away the party hats. This decision is going to anger most of the country. The upshot of it is to tell Americans that if they want the immigration laws enforced, they are going to need a president willing to do it, a Congress willing to make clear that the federal government has no interest in preempting state enforcement, and the selection of judges who will not invent novel legal theories to frustrate enforcement. They are not going to get that from the Obama/Reid/Pelosi Democrats.

A short delay in implementing this won't do much harm, even if someone like you or Limbaugh has an apoplectic stroke because of it.

LOL.

the reverse is actually true.

based upon the fact that public opinion both within arizona and nationwide runs hugely in favor of the arizona law, bolton's ruling is a gift to the right. it solidifies the fact that the left is totally and completely dismissive of the rule of law in this country.

and for that we say thank you judge!!!

thanks for writing yet another gop ad for the upcoming election.

In essence, Judge Susan Bolton bought the Justice Department's preemption argument — i.e., the claim that the federal government has broad and exclusive authority to regulate immigration, and therefore that any state measure that is inconsistent with federal law is invalid. The Arizona law is completely consistent with federal law. The judge, however, twisted to concept of federal law into federal enforcement practices (or, as it happens, lack thereof). In effect, the court is saying that if the feds refuse to enforce the law the states can't do it either because doing so would transgress the federal policy of non-enforcement ... which is nuts.

Another Hellerman moment. Major Major.

thanks for writing yet another gop ad for the upcoming election.

she was recommended for the position by Senator Kyl.

soes that change anythying?

Five People/Groups agree.

The Judge
The President Of Mexico
The President of Obamalot
The ACLU
The Illegals

she was recommended for the position by Senator Kyl.

soes that change anythying?

nope. but it proves that kyl fucked up.

you don't make a liberal a judge.

you don't put a liberal in charge of anything more important than pushing a broom or emptying a garbage can for chrissakes.

kyl made a huge mistake and i'm sure he regrets it.

Filed Under:No Common Sense in Cold Hearted OPINION.

It's illegal for an undocumented worker to work.

Thanks to your Cheap Labor Capitalist Repulicon Tea Bagger Party, under FEDERAL LAW it IS legal for illegal aliens to work.

Look it up.

I see Dog has not gotten the new data, so I will post it again.

Conservatives want the illegal out of the country.

Liberals that includes the Presidents of the US and Mexico, the ACLU, The Judge are wanting them to stay. So much so that the Top Selective Law Enforcement Agent of the US Holder has put his work on hold to defend the Illegals.

On another legal matter:

House investigators accused veteran New York Rep. Charles Rangel of 13 violations of congressional ethics standards on Thursday, throwing a cloud over his four-decade political career and raising worries for fellow Democrats about the fall elections.

The allegations — which include failure to report rental income from vacation property in the Dominican Republic and to report more than $600,000 in assets on his congressional financial disclosure statements — came as lawyers for Rangel and the House ethics committee worked on a plea deal.

One was struck, people familiar with the talks said, but Republicans indicated it was too late.

The deal between the lawyers will have little meaning if the committee members don't approve it, and Republicans said at the proceeding they were insisting on going forward with a trial. The panel is evenly divided between Democrats and Republicans.

"Mr. Rangel was given multiple opportunities to settle this matter. Instead, he chose to move forward to the public trial phase," said Rep. Jo Bonner of Alabama, the senior Republican on the ethics panel

Chairman Zoe Lofgren, D-Calif., has made clear that she wants the committee to be unanimous — leaving little chance for agreement without Rangel capitulating on virtually all counts.

Tax dodging is a badge the Dems are wearing well today.

John Fraud Kerry, decided to pay up only after fearlessly claiming he had done no wrong and had paid all of his taxes.

DOG, exactly who is in the CLCRTBP?

Obama said of African-Americans: "We are sort of a mongrel people."

I am offended for Dr. King, the dream is dying and the executioner is Obama.

Sorry, about this, MissusPlaced, but the "mongrel" remark isn't going to play the way you rightwingnutties want it to.

We are sort of mongrel people (Whoopie: Yeah!) So are white people, it's just that we know more about it.

Play it, what, he stated it, I disagree with his filthy words towards that race, you are defending his actions.

I will not.

MissusPlaced is sick in the head.

Jane, he states that blacks are smarter then whites about our backgrounds, how is that possible.

"You do not describe yourself as a black president, but that’s the way you’re described," said Walters. "Your mother was white. Why—would it be helpful or why don’t you say: I’m not a black president, I’m biracial'?".

"Well, you know, when I was young and going through the identity crises that any teenager goes through I wrote a whole book about this," replied Obama referring to his memoir on race entitled "Dreams from My Father".

"Yes. We all read it," interjected Walters.

"Part of what I realized was that if the world saw me as African-American, then that wasn’t something that I needed to run away from. That’s something that I could go ahead and embrace. And the interesting thing about the African American experience in this country is that we are sort of a mongrel people. I mean, we’re all kind of mixed up. Now, that’s actually true for white America as well but we just know more about it. And so I’m less interested in how we label ourselves and more interested in how we treat each other. And if we’re treating each other right, then I can be African American, I can be multi-racial, I can be—you name it. What matters is, am I showing people respect. Am I caring for other people. That’s, I think, the message that we want to send."

Really, the FAA has closed the air space over the Clinton daughters wedding.

The Democrap elites make me sick.

Lookup Shirley Sherrod or anyone else you car to that is sucking from the US Tax Payers

Jane we all know what he said, your defense as always is commendable.


Now can you answer the following:

He states that blacks are smarter then whites about their backgrounds, how is that possible.

Blacks have always been aware of their being "all kind of mixed up" racially, especially on the Southern Plantations where whites pretended they just had no idea how so many lighter-skinned children kept appearing among the slaves. But the slaves knew.

True too of Jefferson and his slaves.

Smarter than whites is correct English. Smarter then whites is not.

Time, no time. I wasn't ducking CH. I leave that kind of duck and cover to you guys as you continue to apologize for every wingnut, like Breitbart and Schlafly, and Rand Paul, and Teabaggers R Us, where ever they are.

This was an overreach into federal turf and won't stand.

Really, the FAA has closed the air space over the Clinton daughters wedding.

The Democrap elites make me sick. .


S.O.P. for such events.

You make us ALL sick.

stupid fuckstick.

And speaking of this sort of thing, here's a mixed-race story of sadness.

S.O.P. for such events.

some poster decided to commit the lie of the day.....

Filed Under:One Bush has some common sense.

Jeb Bush Says No to 2012 Run

Many close to him and party strategists have assumed that the Bush family name was a non-starter so soon after the presidency of his unpopular older brother, George W. Bush.

Worst President in History!

Jeb Bush Says No to 2012 Run

Too bad. The country needs him more than ever.

*Chortle. Snicker.* The country needs him... *Chortle.*

That's so great!
Who rule the law?
how can I got the judge?

Filed Under:Living in the problem.

The country needs him more than ever.

Reaganism is a failed phony philosophy.
Give it up already.
YOUR WAY DON'T WORK!

Notam for wedding......ground level to 2000 ft....1.5 mile radius.....gee, sure seems restriction is aimed at helicopters picture takers.....another perceived mountain being another mole hill.....by the way for the acronym challenged sense....Notam means Notice to Airmen.....something pilots need to check before every flight.



Issue Date : July 28, 2010 at 2012 UTC
Location : Rhinebeck, New York near KINGSTON VOR/DME (IGN)
Beginning Date and Time : July 31, 2010 at 1900 UTC
Ending Date and Time : August 01, 2010 at 0730 UTC
Reason for NOTAM : Temporary flight restrictions for VIP (Very Important Person) Movement
Type : VIP
Replaced NOTAM(s) : N/A

Jump To: Affected Areas
Operating Restrictions and Requirements
Other Information


Affected Area(s) Top

Airspace Definition:
Center: On the KINGSTON VOR/DME (IGN) 356 degree radial at 17.5 nautical miles. (Latitude: 41º56'42"N, Longitude: 73º55'51"W)
Radius: 1.5 nautical miles
Altitude: From the surface up to but not including 2000 feet AGL
Effective Date(s):
From July 31, 2010 at 1900 UTC (July 31, 2010 at 1500 EDT)

Filed Under:YOUR WAY DON'T WORK!

Recovery loses speed as consumers turn cautious

The economy began to grow in the third quarter of last year after having suffered the worst recession since the Great Depression. And in the following quarter the economy's growth surged at a 5 percent pace, the high water mark of the rebound.

Much of the expansion was driven by the government's massive $862 billion stimulus package of tax cuts and increased spending. Also, companies helped energize growth with a burst of spending to replenish inventories that were cut down during the recession.

Where are all them good jobs from BushCo Inc's huge tax breaks for "those who create jobs" at? It's been 7 years.

S.O.P. for such events.

Really? Did the FAA issues airspace restrictions for your wedding Halfwit?

S.O.P. for such events.

Really?

Jenna Bush wed Henry Hager, a business student who worked as an aide to Mr Bush's former adviser Karl Rove.

"This is a joyous occasion for our family," said Mr Bush in his weekly radio address.

Correspondents say the wedding has been kept out of the public eye, with airspace cleared above the ranch.

Correspondents say the wedding has been kept out of the public eye, with airspace cleared above the ranch.

Airspace is always cleared above a sitting president no matter what the event is.

Try again.

It has gotten increasingly harder for a poster on this blog to lie and get away with it.

I am calling him out again and again.

I am sure he will find a way to have me do it to him again today.

GDP came in at an ok rate, we are still growing and dispite what O'Biden said we are in the ObamaRecovery.

WW doesn't need to try again. She showed you up.

Did you notice how strangely silent MissusPlaced was about my answer at 17:58 yesterday?

k'putz the troll is a lying sack of shit.

We are used to that.

MissusPlaced? Oh that is cruel James, just cruel. Ette is a lot of things, but dumb enough to be hooked up with the board troll isn't one of them.

BARACK OBAMA: And the interesting thing about the African American experience in this country is that we are sort of a mongrel people. I mean, we’re all kind of mixed up. Now, that’s actually true for white America as well but we just know more about it.

MISSUSPLACED: [Obama] states that blacks are smarter then (sic) whites about their backgrounds, how is that possible

Blacks in America have long been aware of their being "all kind of mixed up" racially, especially on the Southern Plantations where whites pretended they just had no idea how so many lighter-skinned children kept appearing among the slaves. But the slaves knew.

True too of Jefferson who produced mixed race children.
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Liked my answer so much I thought it bore repeating, with a slight refinement.

[By the way, Hb, I don't get nor did I intend any Savagery-MissusPlaced connection.]

Really, the FAA has closed the air space over the Clinton daughters wedding.

The Democrap elites make me sick.

The Secret Service requested the ban.

The Secret Service requested the ban.

i find it hard to believe that people are trying to make an issue of closing air space during a wedding of the child of a former president.

i also take offense to posting in "indian talk" it is offensive imo.

i find it hard to believe that people are trying to make an issue of closing air space during a wedding of the child of a former president.

I have zero problems with banning the air space - not only for her sake - but - also for President Clinton and our Secretary of State...

The Secret Service isn't taking any chances, nor should they, imo.

i also take offense to posting in "indian talk" it is offensive imo.

It would be, but I consider the "source".

The Republicans and the US Chamber of Commerce get a lot of things wrong.

The CHTrooth Conservatives have an even worse record. And here is one of many, of their mistakes.

Perhaps none was more controversial than the decision to rescue Chrysler and General Motors, using $86 billion in taxpayer funds and an expedited bankruptcy process that wiped out shareholders, brought in new executives and directors, forced creditors to take a financial haircut, closed dealerships and factories and imposed painful cuts in wages and benefits on unionized workers. It was an extraordinary and heavy-handed government intervention into the market economy that left the Treasury owning a majority of both companies. As one participant recalls, public opinion was divided among those who believed that the companies should have been allowed to die,(the unesteemed El Raton was the loudest and wrongest on this) those who believed they would never survive bankruptcy and those who believed the government would inevitably screw things up. Among the most vocal skeptics: the Chamber's Donohue.

A year later, the auto bailout is an unqualified success. The government used its leverage to force the companies to make the painful changes they should have made years before, and then backed off and let the companies run themselves without any noticeable interference.

The results, which President Obama will tout on a visit to Michigan on Friday: For the first time since 2004, GM and Chrysler, along with Ford, all reported operating profits in their U.S. businesses last quarter. The domestic auto industry added 55,000 jobs last year, ending a decade-long string of declines. Auto sector exports are up 57 percent so far this year and, thanks largely to new government regulations, the industry is moving quickly to introduce more fuel-efficient vehicles. Most surprising of all, GM and Chrysler have already repaid more than $8 billion in government loans, while GM is preparing for an initial stock offering later this year that would allow the government to recoup most, if not all, of its investment.

There was a time, not long ago, when real business leaders encouraged these kind of public-private partnerships.

i find it hard to believe that people are trying to make an issue of closing air space during a wedding of the child of a former president.

Talk to k'putz the troll and his buddy senseless. They are the water carrying idiots on this line of stupidity.

My congrats to Ette for not falling for this line of bovine scatology.

Savagette speak with forked tongue.

i also take offense to posting in "indian talk" it is offensive imo.

Oy vey.

Oy vey

schmuck

meshuga

English please,

me no speak Yiddish.

Oh am I gonna get it for that.

How about a Weiner for President in 2016?

And no, I don't mean Michael "Savage-Weiner".

Me no speak Yiddish.
Correction: Me no speakum Yiddish.

Most surprising of all, GM and Chrysler have already repaid more than $8 billion in government loans

liberal rule # 2:

repeat the lie often enough and loudly enough until it becomes accepted by the mainstream as truth.

How about a Weiner for President in 2016?

LMAO!!!

lil' ant-nee weiner for prez???

you owe me a new keyboard.

LMAO!!!

lil' ant-nee's big accomplishment?

going after gold companies endorsed by glenn beck.

wow.

LOL.

rat method of bs. Repeat as often as necessary.

Prove to be an ignorant, heartless, lying, son of a bitch on a daily basis.

Rinse, Repeat.

Fuck off.

schmuck

He's ate up.

GM and Chrysler are both returning to profitability.

rat wanted them to go into receivership and be broken up into pieces, for one reason and one reason only. They are both associated with the UAW.

Our racist little bigot's raving lunacy isn't limited to just race or religion.

SmearVet Liars: BUSTED!

Samuel and Charles Wyly, the billionaire brothers from Dallas who are large donors to philanthropies and to conservative causes, were charged Thursday with conducting an extensive securities fraud that the Securities and Exchange Commission said reaped $550 million in undisclosed gains.

The brothers, who founded Sterling Software, a business software and services company that they sold for $4 billion in stock to the software company CA in 2000, were also charged with insider trading violations from which they profited by more than $31 million, the S.E.C. said.

rat weeps

Just watched the video Hb posted at 11:14.

WOWEE.

From that video:
"If you believe this is a bad idea to provide health care -- then vote no! But don't give me the cowardly view that 'Oh if it was a different procedure...'"
-- Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-NY), in a dramatic speech on the House floor, excoriating Republicans for opposing a bill that provided health care to 9/11 first responders because of their inability to offer amendments to it.
--Political Wire

President went to the Jeep plant that produces the Jeep Cherokee, mpg on average, 19 mpg.

As for the volt, I hope CA residents buy the heck out of them, that should help both the power grid and the pollution (premium only gasoline).

Oh and to help sell these LEAF want-a-bee's you have $7500 in tax dollars transferred to the new owners.

IF the vehicle is all that, why not have it stand on its own?

Weiner is one tough, smart SOB. Hell, I don't know the guy, he may be an insufferable prick. But his passion, his energy, his zest for doing what is right for the majority over the Republican desire to protect the privliged minority is what we need.

I am sick and tired of Republicans using wedge issues to get voters to support Republicans who have an ideology that is counter to their economic well being. The Republicans are experts at using language that disguises their true intent. Weiner reveals it and all it's ugly ramifications.

IF GM gets into the black again, then they should be able to completely repay the US Tax payer, that has yet to happen.


It will never happen at Barney Fannie mae and Dodd's Freddie Mac., they had to exclude those two gov't agencies to avoid personal embarrassment.

JG, when you said 1,000,000 jobs were saved in these two auto companies how did you come up with that number.

GM total employment = 237,000
Chrysler employment = 87,000

Are you really going to stick to your 1 million jobs number?

lil' ant-nee weiner for prez???

you owe me a new keyboard.

LMAO!!!

lil' ant-nee's big accomplishment?

going after gold companies endorsed by glenn beck.

wow.

lmao - too funny.

I think I agree with this assessment of the Wikileaks as "tragic"

k'putz, you are one dumb mother fucker.

They are tax credits, something you are for, if given to oh.. BP.. in the billions.. but give a few thousand 'common people' a tax break, encouraging sales of what is really still experimental? Oh, that's a bad thing. What you know about the auto industry would not fill a thimble 1/4 full.

Go bitch about limted air space over the Clinton wedding again, you worthless pile of shit.

I am sick and tired of Republicans using wedge issues to get voters to support Republicans who have an ideology that is counter to their economic well being. The Republicans are experts at using language that disguises their true intent.

Rich.

Meanwhile, Weiner is still talking, going on Fox News Friday morning to blast his Republican colleagues in a debate with GOP Rep. Peter King (a sponsor of the bill, who harshly criticized Democrats' decision to go for a two-thirds majority).

"You know, this is not something that got rushed through, this is nine years in the making," Weiner said. "This is doing the right thing, and we should have passed this bill overwhelmingly without any controversy at all. But unfortunately, the party of 'no' hit a new low last night."

The bill's defeat now means that ill 9/11 rescue and recovery workers and their families will have to seek recourse through the U.S. court system for their medical expenses.

GM is already in the black again.

It is turning out competetive products. It has closed thousands of failed dealerships. It has altered it's product line with next to zero interferene from the government. It has gotten big concessions from the UAW, concessions, that while necessary for the recover and long term health of GM still resulted in real pay DECREASES and real pension DECREASES for thousands of people You should be cheering, asshole, cheering.

Ignorant fuckstick.

Yep. Rich alright.

It has closed thousands of failed republican dealerships.

Meanwhile, Weiner is still talking, going on Fox News Friday morning to blast his Republican colleagues in a debate with GOP Rep. Peter King (a sponsor of the bill, who harshly criticized Democrats' decision to go for a two-thirds majority).

What a dramaQueen.

Since the majority of first responders are employed at the local level - this is a local level responsibility, dumbass.

His party changes parlimentary procedures to block Republican amendment attempts - and then he whines that he can't get something passed with a democrat majority.

He's a whiner - just like dramaObama.

It has altered it's product line with next to zero a massive level of interferene from the government.

It has closed thousands of failed republican dealerships.

...while still not learning any lessons.

The Volt?

LMAO!

Uses of f word on this thread:
RRB: one time
Hb: four times

Me no speakum Fuckish.
__________
"interferene"?
Rat no speakum English.

Weiner is one tough, smart SOB.

he's a fucking assclown.

Hell, I don't know the guy, he may be an insufferable prick.

i do, and he's trying to become the second coming of rahm the ballerina, but he can't because he's such a fucking lightweight.

The Volt?

LMAO!

LMAO indeed.

40 miles/charge.

$41,000.000

and the best worst part? we the taxpayers get to pick up $7,500.00 of each government motors plug-in shitbox sold.

you could by a MB C-350 for $41,000.00, get literally twice the car, and actually have a vehicle worth something after 100,000 miles.

I see cracker-hack-jack still can't follow a thread...

Uses of f word on this thread:
RRB: one time
Hb: four times

fuckin' aye.

i got some fuckin' catchin up to fuckin' do.

you could by a MB C-350 for $41,000.00, get literally twice the car, and actually have a vehicle worth something after 100,000 miles.

Yep - twice the car.

fuckin' aye.

i got some fuckin' catchin up to fuckin' do.

an' shit.

Comment from: hb [Member]
GM is already in the black again.

It is turning out competetive products. It has closed thousands of failed dealerships. It has altered it's product line with next to zero interferene from the government. It has gotten big concessions from the UAW, concessions, that while necessary for the recover and long term health of GM still resulted in real pay DECREASES and real pension DECREASES for thousands of people You should be cheering, asshole, cheering.

Ignorant fuckstick.


07/30/10 @ 13:12

DumAss cracker-hack-jack.

GM and Chrysler are both returning to profitability.

while ford, honda, toyota, hyundai and kia kicked their ass on cash for junkers, and continue to kick their ass to this day.

two weeks ago i drove a chrysler 300 to buffalo and back.

one word came to mind during the entire trip:

SHITBOX

I see cracker-hack-jack still can't follow a thread...

bho's nutsack must be obscuring his vision again.

Since the majority of first responders are employed at the local level - this is a local level responsibility, dumbass.

and always has been.

Gibbs Speakum Truth about Auto Industry etc., etc. etc.

Ahem. Thread related.
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Savagery, are your Italiano-Native American grandchildren happy with their grandmother's language on this blog?

Gibbs Speakum Truth about Auto Industry etc., etc. etc.

Cracker-Hack-Jack speaks Injun badly. Cracker-Hack-Jack should go back to speaking his native Redneck.

hey jamesy -

how's that swamp draining project coming along.

ol' charlie sure turned out to be "shovel-ready" didn't he?

LOL.

"Injun" is an offensive term, CS.

democrats preparing to repeal part of their very own landmark legislation

For the first time, House Democrats are proposing repealing a piece of the health care overhaul, one that small businesses have been warning is going to be overly burdensome.


The move comes just four months after the Democrats' health plan passed in March. The provision would have required businesses to file 1099 tax forms for all transactions with vendors that total over $600.


Due for implementation in 2012, it would have raised $19 billion over 10 years to pay for the health care overhaul.


Rep. Scott Murphy (D-NY) offered the bill on Friday morning. Ways and Means Chairman Sander Levin (D-Mich.), spoke in favor of the bill on the House floor Friday.

LOL.

scott murphy is running scared already?

the carbon footprint of chairman zero's detroit photo-op

9:30AM: THE PRESIDENT departs the White House en route Andrews Air Force Base. South Lawn.

(This via a large military chopper to Andrews just south of the D.C. beltway. About 15 minutes burning 1320 gallons of fuel, or about 6,270 pounds of carbon.)

9:45AM: THE PRESIDENT departs Andrews Air Force Base en route to Detroit, Michigan

(This via Air Force One, a Boeing 747. Fuel consumption: A gallon of jet fuel a minute. For an 80-minute flight to Detroit, that is 110,400 pounds of carbon burned. Or 220,800 for the round trip)

11:05AM: THE PRESIDENT arrives in Detroit, Michigan — Detroit Metro Wayne County Airport

(Where he climbs aboard “Cadillac One,” the biggest prez limo ever. Armored. Maybe 10 mpg. Or an armored SUV. Or he might take another chopper. Not specified. Not green either.)

11:50AM : THE PRESIDENT tours the Chrysler Auto Plant — Detroit, Michigan

(Where Chrysler makes its pride and joy, the new 2011 Chrysler Grand Cherokee. The gas-guzzling SUV America loves. The car responsible for 1,100 new UAW jobs to satisfy demand. Fuel mileage:19 mpg for the 4WD version.)

12:55PM: THE PRESIDENT tours the General Motors Auto Plant — Hamtramck, Michigan

(Finally, a clean-burning car! The electric Volt. Just plug it into Michigan’s coal-fired utility grid. Oops.)

3:10PM: THE PRESIDENT departs Detroit, Michigan en route Andrews Air Force Base

4:25PM: THE PRESIDENT arrives at Andrews Air Force Base

4:40PM: THE PRESIDENT arrives at the White House — South Lawn

(More planes, choppers & SUVs. Just your typical, six-figure carbon footprint commute to herald the new green economy).

I thought it was understood and stated from the first that the legislation would need further tinkering and improving.

"Repeal" of the entirety this is not.

I guess that's why George Bush and other Republican Presidents flew around in piper cubs -- NOT!

"Repeal" of the entirety this is not.

what part of the word PART do you not fucking under-fucking-stand???

dipshit.

Leaking data that has put US Troops in grave danger is now in the eyes of the US Troop Hating Liberal nothing more then a soap opera tragedy.

The Volt?

Central Planners controlling the means of production.

Earlier a very misinformed liberal post issued a statement that GM had repaid all of the money it owns the US Tax payer, that is false.

The same economic midget stated that Chrysler is profitable, that to is in error.

Don't take my word for it, take the word of the guy running Chrysler.

hey jamesy -

how's that swamp draining project coming along.

ol' charlie sure turned out to be "shovel-ready" didn't he?

Darn that is funny.

When he takes the stand I want the lawyer to ask him but one, two part question.

What company gave you the loans on the property you own and at what interest rate?

I guess that's why George Bush and other Republican Presidents flew around in piper cubs -- NOT!

JG telling us again that Obama is the same as Bush.

El Centro, CA has the highest unemployment in the USA at a unattractive 27.6 percent.

Did I answer your question at 9:59, MissusPlaced? You've been strangely silent about it ever since.

Really, I have posted about 10 times on three different threads.

Where you about to make a point?

You've been strangely silent about it, MissusPlaced.

Operative words: 1) ABOUT 2) IT.
(it being my answer at 9:59 and 17:57/58 yesterday.

Would you finally like to say something ABOUT IT?

About that answer?

JG

Here is how it works in the real world.

I asked a question.

You gave an answer.

nuff' said.

Again are you on the verge of making a point?

Obama said of African-Americans: "We are sort of a mongrel people."

"Americans are a mongrel people, half Jewified, half Negrofied"

Adolf Hitler

Nice.

CS you are not suppose to make clear links of language like that, it puts the Obamabots in a bad light, because they know so little.

as usual, rat lies.

They did not close Republican dealerships.

Their product line is competetive, and increasingly so.

On this, like on most issues, you are little more than an angry, ignorant old fuck, with canned talking points based on sick ideological view of the world, filled with straw men of your own creation for you to hate.

Chrysler 300 is a model line that is close to 10 years old, based on Merceded design that is even older. It is getting a significant upgrade in the next product cycle. For it's time, 6-8 years ago, it was a top line car.

I would not buy one now, it's best days are behind it. But it, like most of the Chrysler lineup, under Fiat, will be changing.

BTW, you economic genius, how much does it cost to develop, just develop and prepare to manufacture ONE line of vehicles, like a 300 Series today?

I know off the top of my head, do you?

k'putz, El Centro CA is a singularly unattractive place that has never been a center of employment.

You however, would fit right in there with the desert rats, living in a trailer, swamp cooler rattling 24/7.

Move on up!

Chrysler 300 is a model line that is close to 10 years old, based on Merceded design that is even older.

indeed. and that's illustrative of a real stroke of brilliance and explains why the government now owns and operates them.

copying a model that one of your competitors has already deemd prehistoric is a monument to stupidity.

BTW, you economic genius, how much does it cost to develop, just develop and prepare to manufacture ONE line of vehicles, like a 300 Series today?

I know off the top of my head, do you?

sure you do. for starters it would depend upon the model, how many parts from other vehicles can be used from the parts bin, etc. we all know it can be from tens to hundreds of millions of dollars.

in the end, only ford has gotten it right domestically.

you know -

ford.

the only one of the big three who is not worshipping at the altar of chairman zero and the useless auto workers.

ConservOlist.

Presenting Mr Fred Barnes

* In February 2006, Barnes was paid $10,000 plus travel expenses by Oregon's Lane County Republican Central Committee to deliver the keynote address at the annual Lincoln Day Dinner. (Thanks to Carla Axtman for research assistance.) These payments, recorded in filings with the Oregon secretary of state, were evidently made through the Premier Speakers Bureau of Franklin, Tenn., which represents other Fox personalities including Sean Hannity, Dick Morris and Mike Huckabee. Barnes is no longer listed on the Premier website, but the company did not respond to phone or e-mail inquiries about its relationship with him.

* In February 2007, Barnes spoke at the annual Lincoln-Reagan Dinner held by the Republican Party of Fort Bend County, Texas -- home of former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, who purchased a ticket to the event. The party organization's filing with the Texas Ethics Commission shows two payments of $5,000 each on April 26, 2007, to Premiere Speakers Bureau (with the notation "LRD 2007 Speaker - Fred Barnes") and travel expenses of $1,823. Photos of a smiling Barnes with various local dignitaries at the event, which netted a reported $70,000 for the party, can be viewed here.

* In early March 2008, Barnes served as the keynote speaker for the Republican Party of Palm Beach County at its annual Lincoln Day Dinner. Whether he received the customary $10,000 is not clear because the party's filing with the Palm Beach County Supervisor of Elections show only a single payment of $5,500 to Premiere Speakers Bureau on Feb. 18. The committee reported net $120,000 in net proceeds from the event.

The wingnuts have been having a cow over the listserv site, that was selectively picked apart to feed their paranoid view that there is a massive conspiracy out to get 'em.

Well, there wasn't much money involved in that list, if any. But from the conservative side, there is lots o bucks. These right wing pundits can't be expected to live soley upon the meager wages provided by their employers or syndicates. Hell no. The are well compensated speech makers at conservative and corporate (one and the same nowdays) functions across the country. But it is rarely disclosed, very rarely disclosed.

It would of course, call into question their ethics and motivations, but since it is a well known fact.. LOL.. that (sarcasm)conservative journalists and pundits love for the country is superior to that of their liberal counterparts, (sarcasm/off) so no one questioned them.

Until now.

They did not close Republican dealerships.

Troubled Asset Relief Program Special Inspector General Neal M. Barofsky says otherwise -

Barofsky says the administration insisted on the closings even though a GM official told him


that GM would usually save 'not one damn cent' by closing any particular dealership. ... Furthermore, a GM official stated that removing a dealership from the network does not save money for GM -- it might even cost GM money -- and that savings cannot be attributed or assigned to any one dealership.


And a reading of the IG's study makes plain that some dealership closings forced by the administration were based largely on politics.


The report is highly critical of how dealerships were selected for closure, or termination. Barofsky notes that


experts said that while metro areas were oversaturated with GM and Chrysler dealerships and reductions were needed in these areas, this was not the case in rural areas where GM and Chrysler had an advantage over their import competitors. [...]


Although sales volume in small towns may be lower, the cost of operating dealerships in small towns is lower as well. In addition, closing dealerships in small towns could ruin the "historic relationship" that GM has had with residents in small towns and force buyers to drive to metro areas, where there are more competitors. In the worst case, the loss of market share in small and medium-sized markets could "jeopardize the return to profitability" for GM and Chrysler, the (the Center for Automotive Research) representative said. Representatives from the National Automobile Dealers Association also concurred that dealership terminations would cause GM and Chrysler to lose market share in rural areas. [Emphasis added.]


Nevertheless, as Barofsky notes, "ultimately close to half of all of the GM dealerships identified for termination were in rural areas."


That is where raw, hard, sewage-filled Chicago politics came into play.


Records indicate that in 2008, Obama lost the vote totals in the nation's 1,300 rural counties by nearly 80%.


The Obama administration's insistence on radical numbers of closures ended up shuttering dealerships in those rural areas disproportionately, while dealerships and jobs in metro areas -- Obama's geographical base -- were left open.


Additionally, it has been widely theorized that dealers targeted for closure as a result of Obama's interference were predominantly those who donated campaign contributions to Republicans. Although evidence to date is largely anecdotal, given what we've already reported about the Obama administration's handling of the auto bailout, such speculation does have considerable grounds for support.


While that last point is leaves room for debate, the details contained in the Barofsky report are not. As Barofsky points out, the Obama administration was given an advance copy, and "Treasury [the Obama Treasury Department] might not agree with how the audit's conclusions portray the Auto Team's decision making or with the lessons that SIGTARP has drawn from those facts, but it should be made clear that Treasury has not challenged the essential underlying facts upon which those conclusions are based."


Included among those undisputed facts:


-"[D]ealerships were retained because they were ... minority- or woman-owned dealerships";


-Thousands of jobs were lost, unnecessarily, due specifically to Obama's "mandate for shared sacrifice";


-A disproportionate number of Obama-forced closings were of rural dealerships, in areas unfriendly to Obama, even though such closures could "jeopardize the return to profitability" for GM and Chrysler.

ConservOlist.

...consisting of one - not 400.

Troubled Asset Relief Program Special Inspector General Neal M. Barofsky says otherwise -

Hadadick's a - well - a dick who doesn't know anything.

ConservOlist.

Presenting Mr Fred Barnes

still having a hard time discerning between apples and oranges, eh?

LOL.

pssst...

george will got paid to speak at c-pac too.

but i don't think him and freddie are chatting on a listserv about how to fuck over the bho administration.

you fucking imbecile.

salon.

who wrote that?

their resident black belt in being wrong - joan walsh?

rrb, it takes about $1,000,000,000 to develop a new product line. That can be mitigated by diving into the parts bin.

You know nothing about the industry, except what makes you mad at and about them, that is clear as a bell.

Oh, and lookie lookie here, GM to increase production 50% on the Volt because of buyer demand. OH MY!

General Motors said today that buyer interest in the new Chevrolet Volt has prompted the automaker to boost 2012 production plans for the plug-in hybrid to 45,000 units from 30,000.


GM announced the 50 percent production increase as President Barack Obama toured the Detroit-Hamtramck plant today where the Volt is being made. It goes on sale later this year.

It would have been SO much better for the country, as idiots like rat see it, for GM to have gone into receivership.

But then, he's a proven idiot.

"Americanthinker"

'nuff said.

ConservO List


Premier Speakers Bureau of Franklin, Tenn., which represents other Fox personalities including Sean Hannity, Dick Morris and Mike Huckabee.

"Americanthinker"

'nuff said.

My God, you're stupid.

SIGTARP LINK

rrb, it takes about $1,000,000,000 to develop a new product line.

LOL. ok, genius. if you say so.

General Motors said today that buyer interest in the new Chevrolet Volt has prompted the automaker to boost 2012 production plans for the plug-in hybrid to 45,000 units from 30,000.


GM announced the 50 percent production increase as President Barack Obama toured the Detroit-Hamtramck plant today where the Volt is being made.

of that, how many are government guaranteed fleet sales to the government?

LOL.

this reminds me of the time bho visited caterpillar to annouce rehirings. the day chairman zero put words into cat's ceo's mouth.

only to have cat continue layoffs.

since bho and the useless auto workers own government motors, he can dictate any production levels he wants.

good grief.

demand?

yeah. bho demnded that they overstate demand by 50%.

by the way, what's 45,000 X $7,500.00?

LMAO!

-A disproportionate number of Obama-forced closings were of rural dealerships, in areas unfriendly to Obama, even though such closures could "jeopardize the return to profitability" for GM and Chrysler.

Sez who? Oh yeah, an "Americanthinker".

The two companies are already in the black.

Ooooooooooopsie.

And the guy is full of shit on another point. Keeping failing, non-profitable dealerships open DOES hurt the parent firms, for one simple reason. The dealers are compensated per vehicle sold. Irregardless of whether they sell enough vehicles to make a profit for the parent firm, be it GM, Chysler or Ford. Ford was not a recipient of bailout money, but they also closed dealerships across the country, including many in rural areas.

By your moronic way of thinking, Ford did that knowing it would hurt them later. If you believe that, then you also believe pigs fly AND you reply to scam emails from Nigeria.

My God, you're stupid.

SIGTARP LINK

thank you.

everything from my post is included in the 45 page SIGTARP report.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/07/race_played_role_in_obama_car.html

Americanthinker

Stupid twit.

Quit when you are behind.

Sez who? Oh yeah, an "Americanthinker".

says the sigtarp inspector general.

from hackwits autoweek link -


The Detroit-Hamtramck received $336 million in investment to prepare for Volt production.

received from who?

oh yeah, us.

we're paying to build this shitbox and we're paying even more so people can afford it.

let's see what the retail NON-GOVERNMENT FLEET PURCHASES look like.

everything from my post is included in the 45 page SIGTARP report.

He's too stupid to click through the links - plus - it doesn't fit his narrative.

The Volt?

No wonder GM is in trouble - it's a piece of shit.

Americanthinker

Stupid twit.

Quit when you are behind.

You ignorant fuck - the link to SIGTARP was in the Americanthinker article.

God damn you're one dumb son-of-a-bitch.

The dealers are compensated per vehicle sold. Irregardless of whether they sell enough vehicles to make a profit for the parent firm, be it GM, Chysler or Ford.

google up "floor plan" and get back to us.

you have no idea how a dealership operates.

The government bailed out Lockheed in 1971, the company thrived and taxpayers profited.

The government bailed out Chrysler in 1980, the company thrived and taxpayers profited.

The government bailed out the railroad industry, the companies thrived and taxpayers profited.

The government bailed out GM, GM has returned to profitablity, it's long term prospects look good, and the taxpayers will profit.

The government bailed out Chrysler. It too has returned to profitability, although in my opinion, even under Fiat, it's long term prospects are not as good as GM's. But if it does better than expected, the taxpayers will again turn a profit.

Not one you righties see that these recent bailouts have saved tens of thousands of well paid jobs, that create tens of millions in tax revenues, that help mitigate the costs of the bailouts themselves in the short term.

The government has a long history of assisting companies that are considered "too big to fail" and almost all of them, have in the end, turned out to be a good deal for the taxpayers.

Now, since none of you seem to want to remember these success stories, it is my duty to show you the truth, even when it contradicts your ideology and proves it wrong.

It is a heavy burden, but I can handle it.

The Obama administration's insistence on radical numbers (sez who?, oh yeah, an ideological zombie) of closures ended up shuttering dealerships in those rural areas disproportionately, while dealerships and jobs in metro areas -- Obama's geographical base -- were left open.

Yep, that was really dumb. Closing dealerships in areas that sell minute quanties of vehicles and keeping open those that sell much larger numbers was "radical".

That argument is so stupid, it is almost k'putzian in it's logic!

A Success Story

And we all know how much you all hated the bailouts.

Visiting Obama deserves credit for saving GM, Chrysler

President Barack Obama comes to Detroit today, looking for love in the factories of America's hardest-hit big city.

Beset by a sputtering jobless economic recovery, Obama will tout the federal rescues of General Motors and Chrysler as bold moves that staved off another Great Depression and saved thousands of jobs.

While the revivals of GM and Chrysler are still works in progress, at least the automakers are still alive to launch the Chevrolet Volt and the new Jeep Grand Cherokee from the Detroit plants Obama will visit. And that's about as big a triumph as the president can claim from his first 18 months on the job.

Yes, there are still partisan critics sniping about bailouts and "Government Motors." But make no mistake about the Detroit rescue.

The fact that GM and Chrysler are not only alive but modestly profitable in a weak market, after years of losing billions of dollars when car and truck sales were 50% higher, looks like more than just a successful government intervention.

It looks like a flat-out miracle.

And golly, it isn't from the "Americanthinker".

JBD called you morons out on that site full of ideolotical dung, but you just can't help but return time and time again for a right wing fix of ignorant propaganda and lies.

Here is how it works in the real world.

I asked a question.

You gave an answer.

Funny about that. Almost every other answer I've ever given you've smarted off about.

Couldn't about this one?

JBD Polyanna

google up "floor plan" and get back to us.

you have no idea how a dealership operates.

He doesn't have any idea how a lot of things work.

Go to Whitehouse.gov, click video and find the video of the President signing the Tribal Law and Order Act.

I found this video deeply moving. Including the emotional opening statement. Including the way the President did not wait for his introduction but came out to stand with Lisa and encourage her as she spoke her difficult words.
{Could not give link to it, because of filter.}

Amnesty International strongly commends the passage of this act.

Ette, neither one of you knows squat about the auto industry, that much is patently obvious. And in the end, when I call out the assumptions made in the "americanthinker" piece, that has a link to another right wingnut source of falsehoods, all you are left with is a cheap insult. I put the facts of the situation down in front of you.

According to that piece, GM intentionally closed dealerships that were in Republican, rural areas, because of political pressure from the Obama administration. NO where in that piece, did they provide one bit of verifiable documentation for that allegation. In fact, the government has, once it forced the hand of GM and Chrysler to make difficult decisions that should have been made long before, it has stayed OUT of the day to day running of the industry. There is nothing in that piece to support the charges, NOTHING.

And answer me this, twit. Why did Ford, a company that did not have to accept bailout money, make similar, almost identical moves? Are you going to claim that someone gave Ford a late night call, and told them to damage their chances at long term profitability and close the Republican dealerships too?

Open your fucking eyes twit, the bailout of GM especially, has up to this point, has worked. You guys were against it. In almost every instance in the past, when your side made the same arguments, Lockheed, Chrysler in the 70's and others, in the end your side was on the WRONG side of history.

And all you have are insults.

It is not an insult to call you a twit, it is the truth.

You just follow rat like a fucking sheep, baaaaaaaaa baaaaaaaaaaa baaaaaaaaaa.

Twit.

With hundreds of thousands of jobs and millions of billions of dollars flooding the US Economy streets flow with gold and honey and all is well in Obamalot.

"floor plan"

Ok, I googled "floor plan".

About 11,700,000 results (0.16 seconds)

Floor plan interior design software. Design your house, home, room, apartment, kitchen, bathroom, bedroom, office or classroom online for free or sell real ...

floor plan, or floorplan, in architecture and building engineering is a diagram, usually to scale, showing the relationships between rooms, ...

What Is A Floor PlanA floor plan is a drawing that shows a room as seen from above. Everything in a floor plan appears flat. Architects use floor plans to show what a room or ...

We never knew until now that we had a auto expert in our ranks, great news.

Explain how 1 million auto workers stayed employeed?

Volt vs Leaf



Do both get the $7,500 Federal tax credit when one is bought?

The "CHT-Rat-rooth" about liberals.

We spend all our welfare money on Dom Pérignon and pâté de foie gras. All of the money we get from scam climatology studies pointing to global warming -- THAT's the jing that goes to malt liquor.

And of course, crack 'hoes.

A poster admits he has to pay to have sex.

volt vs leaf

Both are produced in the USA by American Auto workers, both have Federal Money supporting them.

Overall demand for vehicles is down. Truck and RV (GM, Chrysler and Ford provide most of the bare chassis to the Class C rv's) sales, the portion of the industry that generated most of their profit margin over the last 20 years, are down 50%. Yet the companies are returning to profitability.

Overall, just 5 years ago, auto manufacturing capacity world wide was 20% greater than was sustainable. As the overall auto manufacturing demand dropped, so did the need for workers. Some of those jobs simply are not coming back anytime soon, if at all, as newer plants are far more automated than in the past.

With the exception of China, which has it's own reasons for worry in as far as long term sustainability is concerned, demand for cars and trucks is down, with few a few exceptions, world wide.

Times change. We have to adapt.

Times change. We have to adapt.

You can start by giving up your Cadillac. Maybe you can give it to Obama as a offering.

Ford Profitable, no bailout money

GM, in the red and still owes the US Tax Payer Billions

Chrysler, in the red and is going to be there for at least another year. The CEO points out the problem today in a statement he issued, the interest on the US Gov't loan.

Totally Off Topic:

I watched "Capote" last night, had recorded it a few days ago. Phillip Seymore Hoffman deserved the Oscar®.

Marvelous in the part.

I did not know that Capote never finished another book after "In Cold Blood".

A movie can only provide a slice of a person's life. But if Thomas's portrayal of Capote was accurate, and my guess it was pretty damn close, it was a fascinating character study.

He was very manipulative, at times a flat out liar, but also a genius, a very troubled genius. They also gave us a glimpse at his coming and in the end, losing battle with alcohol.

I give it **** stars.

More than worth your time.

Watch how many of the Honda Prius body style err, I mean the all newly designed visionary Volt are bought by local, state and federal gov't.

Bwahahaha.. senseless and k'putz have nothing to add to the conversation, so they fall back on old cliches and gratuitous insults that reveal their lack of depth and thinking ability.

Senseless 'hic' has already 'hic' started his 'hic' fueled rants.

Are you really going to stick to your 1 million jobs number?

I asked the above some hours ago, one and only one lib has stepped forward and issued a yes vote.

That auto expert is wrong.

Volt after a huge 40 miles logged will require the driver to go to a premium fuel gas engine that is pumping out a premium level horse power level of ;;;;;

ta da

80 hp

NO where in that piece, did they provide one bit of verifiable documentation for that allegation.

Gee here's the IG report cited by the piece.

The report is highly critical of how dealerships were selected for closure, or termination. Barofsky notes that

experts said that while metro areas were oversaturated with GM and Chrysler dealerships and reductions were needed in these areas, this was not the case in rural areas where GM and Chrysler had an advantage over their import competitors. [...]

Although sales volume in small towns may be lower, the cost of operating dealerships in small towns is lower as well. In addition, closing dealerships in small towns could ruin the "historic relationship" that GM has had with residents in small towns and force buyers to drive to metro areas, where there are more competitors. In the worst case, the loss of market share in small and medium-sized markets could "jeopardize the return to profitability" for GM and Chrysler, the (the Center for Automotive Research) representative said. Representatives from the National Automobile Dealers Association also concurred that dealership terminations would cause GM and Chrysler to lose market share in rural areas.

Halfwit did you actually read the article or did you just see American Thinker and make your own bigoted assumptions?

So much for never using absolutes.

And there you have it, the breath of the depth of auto expertise, none.


the Mich. in my moniker is short for Michigan, I grew up with US Made Muscle cars in a little town just outside of MOTOWN.

I will defer to the self-proclaimed auto expert to tell us the MPG for the Volt.

Halfwit did you actually read the article or did you just see American Thinker and make your own bigoted assumptions?

i'll take made his own bigoted assumptions for $5 Trillion, alex.

I really do not know the total number of job losses in the auto industry, it is somewhat nebulous, as it involves not only the manufacturers themselves, but a long and complex supply chain.

But in the end, the market has changed, permanently.

Some of those jobs have taken the same path as those of 100+ years ago in the buggy whip industry. Never to return.

And that is a fact.

Volt was touted as getting 230 MPG

That was the green dream. Then reality came to dinner and today it is kind of not really clearly rated at, well, I don't want to steal the self-proclaimed auto experts learned answer.

Some movies that impressed me recently:
Crash
Freeway
eleven fourteen (11:14)
The Burning Plain
Some of these were so horribly depraved as to be good somehow (which is sort of what Roger Ebert said about Freeway.)

Barofsky notes (in his highly political opinion) that

experts (what experts?) said that while metro areas were oversaturated (who says that?) (and has he seen how many GM and Chrysler dealerships in urban areas have closed? I HAVE) with GM and Chrysler dealerships and reductions were needed in these areas, this was not the case in rural areas where GM and Chrysler had an advantage over their import competitors.

And of course, Ford, a company that was not a recipient of bailout funds, followed an almost identical strategy. The piece charges, WITH OUT PROOF, that political pressure was put on GM and Chrysler to follow that pattern. WITHOUT PROOF. Yet you believe it.

I have a bridge for sale.

write to hbisgonnaripyouoff@nigeriascam.com for further information.

Halfwit did you actually read the article or did you just see American Thinker and make your own bigoted assumptions?

Answer:

I really do not know the total number of job losses in the auto industry

And it will continue because if it one thing we know as sure as the sun sets when Obama goes to sleep and rises when he awakes, the auto expert will not, can not stop himself from himself.

BLS has a firm number on how many jobs have been lost in the Auto industry.

Reuters - U.S. stocks closed little changed on Friday, but Wall Street wrapped up its best month in a year after the earnings season rounded the final turn with a group of strong results ...

In the end, you guys will spit into the winds of history and claim the bailout of GM and Chrysler was a mistake. You will wail, thrash and clench your fists over alleged political back room dealings that make the rounds in the right wing noise machine, but have nothing but allegations by industry ignorant wingnuts to base them on.

GM will return to profitability. Tens of thousands of decent paying jobs, not great, but decent paying jobs were saved. The average UAW line worker makes around $25/hr plus benefits. And for some reason, you morons begrudge them that wage. No one gets rich on $25 per hour. But it can provide a decent life and allow people to raise their kids, help them get an education and succeed in life. And again, there is something in you assholes that lead you to believe that this is a bad thing.

I for one, do not get it. But then again, I have a heart. You do not.

BLS has a firm number on how many jobs have been lost in the Auto industry.

No, they do not. You can and probably will spring forth a web site, but will it contain the numbers up and down the supply chain? no. Will it contain the number of jobs lost in retail and service in the areas most affected by the downturn in the auto industry? No it will not.

And will it do ANYTHING to bolster a single one of your troll posts? No, it will not.

You are just too stupid for words k'putz. You are an ignorant, stupid fool, who got what he has by the hard work of others, as you have admitted many times in the past.

And of course, not many of us are dumb enough to believe the proprietor of a busy, profitable ranch has the time to sit and spit out the number of trolling posts a day you spew.

Do us all a favor, go forth, and Cheney thyself.

Regards, your superior human being in every way,

HB

It happens anytime a poster talks about something for more then a few posts..

GM has returned to profitablity, it's long term prospects look good, and the taxpayers will profit.

The government bailed out Chrysler. It too has returned to profitability

a little while later from the same poster;

GM will return to profitability

The automotive industry includes industries associated with the production, wholesaling, retailing, and maintenance of motor vehicles.

\\


bls nails it

Prior to Obama


obama re-volt

These are two photo's of the same "Volt" Chevy built, one was when GM had a soul and the 2nd one is after GM sold its soul.

LMAO

poor, poor k'putz, is now limited to spinning his lies and showing his total ignorance about cars, how they are developed or how that thru time, the design changes necessary for production have an effect on the numbers.

Go bang a goat k'putz. At least that is sex with an equal... not that I am prejudiced against goats..

Obama calls charges against Rangel 'troubling'

11:11 pm WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Barack Obama on Friday called ethics charges against Democratic Rep. Charlie Rangel "very troubling" and said he hopes the longtime lawmaker can end his career with dignity. Several House Democrats went further, flat-out urging the New York congressman to resign.

"He's somebody who's at the end of his career," Obama said in an interview that aired Friday on "CBS Evening News with Katie Couric." "I'm sure that what he wants is to be able to end his career with dignity. And my hope is that it happens."

Obama, speaking on the issue for the first time, praised the 20-term Rangel for serving his constituents well but called the more than one-dozen tax and disclosure charges against him "very troubling."

Rangel "doesn't give a damn" what Obama thinks

Frankly, President Obama, Charlie doesn't give a damn.

From my story on the Obama-Rangel drama:
[A] person close to the Rangel tells POLITICO the embattled Democrat “doesn’t give a damn about what the president thinks about this” and won’t step down.

“[Obama’s] statement comes as no surprise to us,” said a person close to Rangel, speaking on condition of anonymity because he wasn’t authorized to speak publicly for the congressman. “We’re not surprised by this, we’ve known the people in the White House have felt this way for a while, but this doesn’t change anything for us.”
--Ben Smith, Politico
______________
Bye, bye, Charlie.

I am probably not the first to post this, but I know that you will not see one of the "CHTroothers" who were chortling the other day about this, post will apologize for their behavior.

Portland Police and the Multnomah County District Attorney's office have cleared Al Gore of criminal wrongdoing in the sex assault case filed by masseuse Molly Hagerty.

"After evaluating the materials submitted by PPB I have concluded that I agree with the assessment that a sustainable criminal case does not exist," said District Attorney Michael D. Schrunk, in a statement.

. . .

Hagerty failed a polygraph test during the course of the investigation, and there was no DNA evidence on the pants she claimed she wore during the alleged incident, according to investigators.

Good bye Captain Phil Harris

GM will return to profitability. Tens of thousands of decent paying jobs, not great, but decent paying jobs were saved.

So Mr. Auto Genius; how does a company return to profitability by building a $41,0000 car with the same performance and features of a $15,000 economy car.

Idiot

Gee, ya think?

Terrorist Smuggling Into U.S. a Real Concern

Richard Stana, the Government Accounting Office’s (GAO) Director of Homeland Security and Justice Issues, testified before a congressional subcommittee on July 22 that “alien smuggling along the southwest border is an increasing threat to the security of the United States and Mexico as well as to the safety of both law enforcement and smuggled aliens.”""""

So, let's sue another state, dramaObama - 'cause we don't want any "patchwork" laws...or sumthin'...

but I know that you will not see one of the "CHTroothers" who were chortling the other day about this, post will apologize for their behavior.

Screw algore - if he didn't do this - there's no doubt he's done something equally disgusting, and just hasn't been caught.

The Nissan Leaf has a price point only $9,000 less then the Obama version of the once cutting edge in design now the Prius look a like Volt.

Both are supported by the US Tax payers in that the buyer can get up to $7,500 off the sticker price.

The Volt requires Premium gasoline and gets -- ok I will tell, an EPA Rated 30 mpg while operating on that massive gas engine.

Democrats have another "most ethical" critter under investigation.

The piece I read brought up race and asked are only BLACK Congressmen/woman being targeted?

Democrat Waters, I think she is from CA is now under investigation for a dirty banking deal.

The Auto response to anything that is negative about the ONE is to blame others.

Square these two statements by a poster here:

GM has returned to profitablity...

GM will return to profitability.

He posted them in that order.

As for the design of the volt preObimbo and postObimbo, I'll let the photo's I posted speak for themselves.

I posted this statement

BLS has a firm number on how many jobs have been lost in the Auto industry.


The posters responsed:
No, they do not. You can and probably will spring forth a web site, but will it contain the numbers up and down the supply chain? no. Will it contain the number of jobs lost in retail and service in the areas most affected by the downturn in the auto industry? No it will not.


Then I posted this from the BLS web page:

The automotive industry includes industries associated with the production, wholesaling, retailing, and maintenance of motor vehicles.


So let's do a little side-by-side of what the poster said the data from BLS would NOT contain.

Autobot BLS
retail retailing (check)
service maintenance (check)
production (check)
retailing (check)

And so it goes for the autobot.

Screw algore - if he didn't do this - there's no doubt he's done something equally disgusting, and just hasn't been caught.

how about much more disgusting?

like perpetuating the global warming fraud to line his own pockets with tens of millions of dollars.

So Mr. Auto Genius; how does a company return to profitability by building a $41,0000 car with the same performance and features of a $15,000 economy car.

by mandating their purchase, comrade.

Ok, I googled "floor plan".

and you fucked that up too.

moron.

by mandating their purchase, comrade.

Well, if they can do it with Health Insurence.....

Well, if they can do it with Health Insurence.....

precisely.

these socialist pricks will not rest until they completely dominate our lives and strip away every last freedom and liberty we have.

health care is one example. what we are allowed to eat is another. it would not surprise me in the least if they attempt to dictate what, where, how far, and how much we are allowed to drive.

if he didn't do this - there's no doubt he's done something equally disgusting, and just hasn't been caught.

Yeah, he's probably been advocating against childhood obesity of something disgraceful like that.

I see the fervor of your posts as a good sign that Obama is rising as a threat in your eyes.

it's official: shirley sherrod is a fucking imbecile.

with morons like this on the federal payroll managing our healthcare, we are doomed.

I see the fervor of your posts as a good sign that Obama is rising as a threat in your eyes.

rising?

you numbskull.

from day one chairman zero has been a threat to our freedoms and liberties.

"to line his own pockets with tens of millions of dollars."

First Rat, it is not a fraud, it is a HOAX....geebus, can't you keep that straight???

As to Al Gorum pocketing 10's of millions....Total BS....a right wing wish.....BTW....did your thief of a lawyer friend man up like Kerry or do you think he is justified to screw America????


Also, I hope Shirley gets to be a very rich lady at the expense of Breitass the bigot. LOL at your comment, rat, very amusing especially with the company you manage to keep.

Yes he can !! Yes he can !!

Yeah, he's probably been advocating against childhood obesity of something disgraceful like that.

That fat bastid needs to start advocating against his own obesity.

Can Obama go any lower in the polls [Visitor]
Yes he can !! Yes he can !!

giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -20

First Rat, it is not a fraud, it is a HOAX....geebus, can't you keep that straight???

Perpetuating a hoax to enrich yourself is a fraud.

Also, I hope Shirley gets to be a very rich lady at the expense of Breitass the bigot.

Don't hold your breath. The betting is not wheather it will get thrown out of court but how fast it will be.

*wheather = whether

"Perpetuating a hoax to enrich yourself is a fraud. "

Yep....gore engorged himself in riches....LOL....sure he did sense.....Maybe American Thinker said that, but, you have no objective proof that he did.

"The betting is not wheather it will get thrown out of court but how fast it will be. "

I guess that's the freepers line. My opinion is not the same as yours. I'll root for the underpaid worker over a fatass bigot from caulifornia who makes money from people like you.

it's official: shirley sherrod is a fucking imbecile.

with morons like this on the federal payroll managing our healthcare, we are doomed.

I hope he counter sues her fat ass.

That fat bastid needs to start advocating against his own obesity.

Perhaps he could buy a Volt to travel from mansion to mansion - it's bound to knock off some pounds...

GAO Report Examines DOE Projects

"WASHINGTON -- A Government Accountability Office report released Thursday shows that the Department of Energy has spent more than $1.9 billion in stimulus funds to create 10,018 jobs through May, an average of $194,213 spent per full-time job created."

Sigh.

a sustainable criminal case does not exist,"

That only implies that they don't feel they could nail his azz to the wall. It does not say that the pervert didn't do stuff to the girl.

Guilty as charged. Tie him to a stake on the CO2-manmade-globally-warmed street in heat stricken Moscow for a few days as punishment.

funny stuff to come into. The right winnut echo chamber and the groupie.

Worst band in history.


LMAO, ignorant morons..

Watching senseless, who's idea of a performance car is a Honda Fit comment on this, is double the fun.

120 hp is about all that blithering idiot should get.

Otherwise, everyone else in Floriduhhh is in mortal danger!

As to Al Gorum pocketing 10's of millions....Total BS

Financial disclosure documents released before the 2000 election put the Gore family's net worth at $1 million to $2 million. Now it is believed to be around $100 Million. hmmmmmmm. Did he make off with all the WH china and sell it on ebay?

it would not surprise me in the least if they attempt to dictate what, where, how far, and how much we are allowed to drive.

LaHood has already thought of that...

...supposedly, dramaObama is against it, lol, as if...

I'll root for the underpaid worker

You mean the "underpaid" bureaucrat that became rich off the civil rights movement?

Now it is believed to be around $100 Million. hmmmmmmm. Did he make off with all the WH china and sell it on ebay?

Lmao.

Watching sense, who's idea of a performance car is a Honda Fit comment on this, is double the fun.

Still running around burning your carbon credits in that Cadillac of yours? The Fat Earth God Al Gore will be displease with you unless you make an immediate sacrifice to him for more carbon credits.

Cute Car that Honda Fit. It's almost fits inside my Navigator.

Did he make off with all the WH china and sell it on ebay?


Hey I bought a couple of items off AF1 and put in my kids' time capsules.

Cute Car that Honda Fit. It's almost fits inside my Navigator.

I doubt fat algore could fit in either one of them.

You mean the "underpaid" bureaucrat that became rich off the civil rights movement?

...along with her dyed-in-the-wool socialist husband.

I didn't know the USDA gave out home loans...

LMAO

Yah, they are gonna tell you BUY A VOLT OR DIE.

LOONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A Navigator eh? Compensating for a lack of self-esteem and room for the whale, all in one vehicle.

Nice work.

File Under:Perceptions.

bureaucrat that became rich off the civil rights movement?

Which "bureaucrat" was that?

Did he get as rich as the bankers who bankrupted America? Than paid them self's huge bonus' at a low tax rate? All paid for by you?

YOUR WAY DON'T WORK!

And Now for Another Episode Of:

Leave It to The Boehner!

Mr. Obama, who did not join the Senate until 2005, reminded Mr. Boehner and the Senate Republican leader, Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, that the tax cuts' architects purposely left the deficit problem to a future administration, according to aides from both parties.

"I wasn't there," Mr. Boehner quickly countered. "I didn't structure that deal."

The room briefly went quiet as participants seemed to ponder that statement from a legislator first elected in 1990. "How long have you been here?," a Democrat asked Mr. Boehner, and the others broke out in laughter.

Obama does a victory lap, while I laugh at the ignorant assholes of CHTrooth!

"If some folks had their way,(he is talkihg to YOU, CHTroothers!) none of this would be happening at all. This plant might not exist. There were leaders of the 'just say no' crowd in Washington who argued that standing by the auto industry would guarantee failure. One called it 'the worst investment you could possibly make.' They said we should just walk away and let these jobs go. Today, the men and women in this plant are proving these cynics wrong. Since GM and Chrysler emerged from bankruptcy, our auto industry has added 55,000 jobs -- the strongest period of job growth in more than ten years. For the first time since 2004, all three American automakers are operating at a profit. Sales have begun to rebound. And plants like this that wouldn't have existed if all of us didn't act are now operating maximum capacity. "

Last year, you guys went NUTS, some of the most ignorant among you contiue it.. that means all of ya, to say it was COMMUNIST and they are going to FORCE you into a Trabant or something like that. The depth of your ignorance, arrogance and blanket stupidity knows no bounds.

The CH Troothers were thrilled and wanted, no, they SALIVATED at the prospect of letting the American auto industry fail at the height of the Great Recession, but President Obama rescued it instead.

You guys will never admit your errors, or even consider the idea that you were possibly wrr, wrrr, wrrr, wrroon... WRONG! Oh no.

Not you guys. You would have much rather seen an entire industry fail, thousand and thousands of your fellow americans be left jobless, and without hope. All in the name of opposing Barack Obama.

Now you know why I call you scum.

Than paid them self's huge bonus' at a low tax rate?

What's a self's? Bonus' is possesive? I won't bother with the than versus then eff up.

idiot

LOL Paul, CHTID isn't one of most skilled users of the language.

He and senseless both do a job on the written language.

The inappropriate use of the possessive is probably the most common error people make. It's one of my pet peeves too.

BTW senseless, my CTS gets 18 MPG in mixed city driving and 25.5 highway.

The only way your carbon producing compensatoinmobile gets that kind of mileage, is on a tow hook.

BTW senseless, my CTS gets 18 MPG in mixed city driving and 25.5 highway.

Which doesn't mean a hell of a lot when all you do is drive it around the three rings under the circus tent.

A Navigator eh? Compensating for a lack of self-esteem and room for the whale, all in one vehicle.

Projecting again Halfwit? Here's a hint. That Cadillac clown car you're driving won't do it for you.

the tax cuts' architects purposely left the deficit problem to a future administration,

So, brutha zerO says he inherited this problem.

And his solution to a big pile of sh#t?

Grab the shovels and pile it higher and faster than anyone else in the history of Earth.

Smarts of that = (-100).

LMAO.

Cadillac clown car.

You are a pathetic, compensating fool.

Kiss my ass.

Oh, shit, don't. You would enjoy it.

eeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwww

Ignorant moron.

lolol

No Whatta, let them expire. That's a start.

Your side wants to extend them, without doing anything about the costs that engenders.

As to the whine you guys always have when Democrats blame Bush for problems he left behind.

History did not start on January 20th, 2009. Seriously, it did not. Look it up!

LMAO.
Cadillac clown car.
You are a pathetic, compensating fool.
Kiss my ass.
Oh, shit, don't. You would enjoy it.
eeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwww
Ignorant moron.
lolol

You have just witness the phenomenon of space-time where insanity meets stupidity.

Comment from: Can Obama go any lower in the polls [Visitor]
Yes he can !! Yes he can !!

He didn't today. :-)

GOP Concedes It Won't Take Over the Senate in 2010
Sen. John Cornyn, chairman of the NRSC, has admitted that the Republicans are unlikely to capture the Senate in 2010, despite an expected big wave in its favor. The first 6 or 7 seats are potentially doable (although far-right candidates in Nevada, Kentucky, and possibly Colorado) could strongly reduce that number, as could losses in Ohio and Missouri. But the next 3 or 4 seats require victories in deep blue states like California and Wisconsin. Despite initial polling that shows close races in these states, the last time Californians elected a Republican to the senate was Pete Wilson in 1984, for example.

Also problematic is Florida, where Gov. Charlie Crist (R-FL) is running as an independent and has refused to state who he would caucus with. A recent poll shows that 55% of the people planning to vote for him want to see him caucus with the Democrats and only 22% want him to caucus with the Republicans. Given that Crist is leading Republican Marco Rubio in most polls, and miles ahead of hapless Democrat, Kendrick Meek (who is facing a bizarre primary challenge from a loose cannon billionaire, Jeff Greene), if Crist wins the general election and caucuses with the Democrats, that is effectively a pickup for the Democrats since the incumbent is a Republican.

The House is a different story. With 39 pickups and no losses, the Republicans could capture the House, but unlike 1994, there are relatively few open seats this time, so it will be a steep hill to climb, but not inconceivable, like the Senate.
--from electoral-vote.com, July 24

You would have much rather seen an entire industry fail, thousand and thousands of your fellow americans be left jobless, and without hope.

Not exactly accurate. A business going bankrupt isn't necessarily the end of that business. Instead, zerO preempted normal law and screwed legitimate debt holders in favor of...you know who.

An orderly bankruptcy would have left the industry more healthy long term, than one controlled by...you know who. They will fall back to a product that has to be overpriced, or to lose money, to pay for their benefits. Not a winning strategy.

It is funny, more than once now and unprompted by me, I have heard people say they will not buy a GM again because of the way the government screwed the debt holders in favor of...you know who.

I won't buy another GM. I still have close to $3000 of points on my GM card that will go to waste.

Whatta, I disagree. GM has been pretty much left on it's own. The government has a long, mostly successful, record of rescuing big companies like GM. It did force GM to make tough choices it had avoided for years.

I do not believe, putting GM into receivership, shredding it, and selling off the pieces would have done anything positive. It would have fulfilled the ideological demands of conservatives, but that's not a good reason to let it go, is it?

As to the handful of folks who claim they won't buy a GM car because of what it did to bond holders? Oh that has to run into the tens of millions of people!

The major reason most of the CHTroothers wanted GM split up, was their inane anger and dislike of unions. The other was to see Obama fail.

Neither one of them make sense.

Breaking up GM was not a good idea. Obama made the correct decision. The proof is in the numbers.

I won't buy another GM. I still have close to $3000 of points on my GM card that will go to waste.

Sounds like a personal problem and a fit of pique, nothing more.

Add to that, the "you know who" line is simply put, untrue. The government will sell GM stock as soon as it makes sense. Don't fall into the pit of inanity occupied by most of the CHTroothers. In the end, the taxpayers will net a nice, very nice profit.

But the CHTroothers, who wanted it to fail, so Obama failed, will never, ever admit error. But those of us who know the truth, find them to be despicable scum who put their party before the good of America.

Fuck 'em..

You have just witness (sic) the phenomenon of space-time where insanity meets stupidity.

Yes
We
Did.

You provided all we needed to see.

Good job, sensless, good job.

Beach the whale today?

Now it is believed to be around $100 Million. hmmmmmmm. Did he make off with all the WH china and sell it on ebay? "

And my kid believes in the tooth fairy

Whatta, that is not proof...it is abject guano, and stupid to boot!

...along with her dyed-in-the-wool socialist husband."

Please!!!! LOL

The government will sell GM stock as soon as it makes sense"

And probably turn a profit on it....doncha love the negativism of our right wing brethren!! They used to root for wars and hated those who were against them. Other than spending 1 trillion +, how are we safer??? Now, they root for GM to fail and say they want the economy to recover while blaming BHO for this mess!!! Thank goodness they have leaders like Sarah and Rush to lead them in their time of need.

The President's "terrible" treatment of the BSOA -- unmasked as another righwing lie

What [the rightwingers who criticized the President] fail to mention is that President Obama met with a group of scouts and their leaders just a little more than two weeks ago. In the Oval Office. In fact, the president does so every year, but this year, special attention was given to the centennial.

As Scouting Magazine's official blog reported, "During the White House meeting, the president and the BSA delegation shared their mutual goals for addressing key concerns for our nation's youth: healthy living, service to the community, and environmental stewardship."

Admitting this, of course, would mess with the conservative narrative. Nor, it turns out, is this the first time that elements of the right have shamelessly tried to use the Boy Scouts, of all organizations, to impugn the Obama White House. A whispering campaign via e-mail (in cyberspace, no one can hear you scream) alleged that unlike his predecessors the president has refused to sign Eagle Scout certificates. As it turns out, there was a gap between the Bush and Obama presidencies when blank certificates were sent out.
But, as the debunking website www.snopes.com reports, "Production of new Eagle Scout certificates bearing President Obama's signature... got underway in late 2009 for distribution to Scouts who obtained Eagle rank in Spring 2010. President Obama has also mailed over 13,000 personal letters of congratulation to individual Eagle Scouts, including a September 2009 case in which every single one of the five most senior members of Troop 182 in Palatine, Illinois, earned eagle rank."

Now all of this would be simply silly if not for the fact that this is the pattern: find a bright, shining lie, an often trivial issue, reshape it to your agenda of attack and fear, distort and dissemble, bang it like a drum to rouse the media circus and distract the public - and its public servants -- from the critical work necessary to survive as a republic.--Michael Winship, seniot writer for Bill Moyer's Journal
________
Yep. Very patriotic, rightwing scum sucking bottom crawlers.

...along with her dyed-in-the-wool socialist husband."
Please!!!! LOL

You mean the one who said: "We can't let the white people and their Uncle Toms steal our votes from us.".

The President's "terrible" treatment of the BSOA

If it was the NAACP's 100 anniversary I doubt Obama would send a video to the convention.

It just shows where his priorities are. He dissed the Boy Scouts in favor of appearing on a fluff celebrity show. Not matter how you spin it for your Dear One® is shows disrespect.

Beach the whale today?

Na, I didn't see you today and I had no idea you were at the beach.

(Halfwit shirtless is a frightening thought. Ewwwwwwww)

"We can't let the white people and their Uncle Toms steal our votes from us.". "

And naturally, you take that as an affront, and probably out of context also...wow....call someone who gives a crap....BTW...WP handed you your ass on a platter....it was a lot of fun to watch you prove you have no expertise in another subject. Too funny!!! E=MC2....why don't you cite a couple of legitmate scientists that don't think that "theory" is wrong.....LOL....jagoff

If it was the NAACP's 100 anniversary I doubt Obama would send a video to the convention. "

Yep the BSOA is 100 years behind the rest of the world in certain respects....too bad you don't recognize that fact.

I know most righties here think wiki is about as trustworth as the NYT's.....or American thinker.....But, someone posted a comment about Shirley's husband being a socialist......I don't see it. As a matter of fact, that probably is way over the line. Again, it is my opinion and SNCC did do some good work in the 60's. I am sure Rat will say they are nothing more than welfare queens..




Link

Again, it is my opinion and SNCC did do some good work in the 60's.

Why am I not surprised.

I am sure Rat will say they are nothing more than welfare queens..

Not welfare queens. Communist traitors.

why don't you cite a couple of legitmate(sic) scientists that don't think that "theory" is wrong.

Obviously you never read or never comprehend the following statement:

Even Einstein’s Theory of Relativity is undergoing review. The chief problem with the theory is that it clashes with Quantum Mechanics. Both theories have been validated by experiments but paradoxically they contradict each other.

Ya know Mumbles I try really hard to be civil with you but you are such an obtuse dumbass that it would try the patients of God.

Obama warns against politicizing immigration; expresses a desire to work with Arizona

"it would try the patients of God"? How about patience.

Obama says he'll call GOP's bluff on deficit talk

WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama has a warning for Republicans who denounce the federal deficit but reject proposals to cut it.

Obama tells CBS, "I'm going to call them on their bluff."

Tough talk, tough talk

Obama politicizing immigration

James proves Obama speaks from both sides of mouth.

Cut the spending Mr president, and cut the crap.

"it would try the patients of God"? How about patience.

I'm sure you never accidentally use a homophone in your life have you Cracker-Hack-Jack.

What an ass.

Obama warns against politicizing immigration; expresses a desire to work with Arizona.

Too late the Democrats have already politicized the issue.

It would be funny if it's wasn't so pathetic.

Not welfare queens. Communist traitors."

Dayum....did God give you trains instead of brains???? SNCC was a group of communist traitors???? Prove it....oh, you can't! LOL....Maybe we can say the current conservative party is a group of creationist jagoffs that have no clue, or care about others....That statement, sense, is just about as stupid as saying all scientists should not believe in theory's......

"Obviously you never read or never comprehend the following statement:"

Obviously you cannot prove otherwise...Goodness, give us all a name of a legit scientist that says E=MC2 is false......Thanx for playing the rube, again.

"Ya know Mumbles I try really hard to be civil with "

Sure....vous et plan de merde.

So Mr. Auto Genius; how does a company return to profitability by building a $41,0000 car with the same performance and features of a $15,000 economy car.

Rat already stated what is going to happen, these unwanted econboxes are going to be required purchases of local/state/federal gov't. fleet managers.

I hear there is a gas only version of the Volt, I don't recall the name plate ObamaMotors stuck on it.

Obama tells CBS, "I'm going to call them on their bluff."


JaneGibbs is the best parrot of all liberals.

Think Timing JG's, why not work on the deficit now, and , thanks for pointing out that the President has lost all hope of retaining the US House in the fall elections.

I hear there is a gas only version of the Volt

It's cslled a Renault

MO has on the State Ballot a proposition that mandates the state not allow ObamaCare in the state.

It will be the first state to flip off Dear Leader, state wide.

Est. has it the Proposition wins with over 60% of the vote.

Funny, Cali.

All of you that live in Obama rich lands of CA, NY, NJ watch your state budgets closely, and see how many VOLT runs thru them over the next 6 months.

A poster has trolled me 12 times on this thread alone.

Hint on who he is,

He believed that first GM was profitable and then later believed they will be profitable, he also believed taht GM is total clear of all debt owned the tax payers of the USA.

July 1, 2010, Biden announces the "Summer of Recovery" ABC

then the down data came in and Camp Hold Harmless goes into full tilt spin mode.

July 29, 2010, Biden announces the "Bush Recession" ABC

Obviously you cannot prove otherwise...Goodness, give us all a name of a legit scientist that says E=MC2 is false......

Do stop commenting on a subject you are totally ignorant of. It just makes you look like a fool.

Obama drives the volt, forgot to buckle up, that must be something only the little people have to do.

Oh wait, he did buckle up.

Tucked into the new health care law is a requirement that could become a paperwork nightmare for nearly 40 million businesses.

They must file tax forms for every vendor that sells them more than $600 in goods.

The goal is to prevent vendors from underreporting their income to the Internal Revenue Service

IRS is a big player in your Health Care.

An unanswerable question for the Libs of CHT, you have stated time and again that the American People support the policies of the President, ok, for now let's all walk in Obamalot hand to hand and singing a round or two of Yes We Can.

So here is the question, since the above is true why is it the Dems are not looking to gain seats as "W" did in his first term?

mich thanks for ankiel and farnsworth

how does a company return to profitability by building a $41,0000 car with the same performance and features of a $15,000 economy car.

I just have to love how the idiot from kansas follows the idiot rat in speading lie after lie after lie.


It provides lots of free amusement.

Do stop commenting on a subject you are totally ignorant of. It just makes you look like a fool.

Senseless, please, follow your own advice and leave the blog, or remain and look like a fool with every post.

Re 17:07, 17:14
It's the Republicans who're speaking with forked tongue. (And especially that perpetually spouting from both sides of his mouth McCain.)

Attempts to overhaul the U.S. immigration system have failed previously, most recently in 2007 when Republicans torpedoed reforms pushed by George W. Bush, then the Republican president.

Repuglicans stabbed their own leader in the back over this. Obama is more clever and is handling the situation in such a way that Repugs could lose out with both Hispanic and other voters.
This is another one for the history books: A consummate political craftsman who is also a principled statesman is working a difficult situation.

Obama approval now NEGATIVE 4.5

WHAT A SLIDE

Obama is more clever and is handling the situation in such a way that Repugs could lose out with both Hispanic and other voters.

You're beyond bogarting that joint it's full on Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds

How do those tangerine dreams and marmalade skies look in your world??

Nevermind I'm sure it's rosy

lol

whackjob

Senseless, please, follow your own advice and leave the blog, or remain and look like a fool with every post.

So speaks the most clueless fool on the board.

Halfwit do you have anything left other than hate?

It is funny, more than once now and unprompted by me, I have heard people say they will not buy a GM again because of the way the government screwed the debt holders in favor of...you know who.

and i'm one of them.

not only will i not buy government motors, i won't buy anything assembled by the Useless Auto Workers.

fucking parasites.

A Re-Volting Development

Well, the news is in on the new Chevrolet Volt, and it’s not pretty. Government Motors (GM) has announced the sticker price for the new plug-in hybrid at $41,000, a price, as I wrote earlier, that analysts believe will have GM losing money with each car they sell. Of course, they might not sell that many. An admittedly non-scientific poll of Washington Post readers suggests that only about 8 percent of the public says it would buy a Volt. A full 74 percent answered “No way” to the question of, “Would you pay $41,000 for an electric car?”

So now that we have a fixed price, let’s recap the subsidy math. The president has bludgeoned state-owned GM to put out a plug-in hybrid vehicle that is, according to the Post, more than twice as expensive as a comparable gasoline-driven car. To entice motorists to buy these untested contraptions, the government will give each one a $7,500 subsidy, and another grand if they install their own charger at home (apartment owners of course, are out of luck, and get to subsidize homeowners with this one). President Obama wants a million electric cars on the road by 2015, and since vast cost-saving advances are unlikely to occur so quickly, it’s safe to assume the subsidy would remain, sucking only $8.5 billion dollars out of taxpayers coffers to subsidize people willing to buy a more expensive car than they actually need. Of course, GM isn’t fully on board with Obama’s vision, only planning to sell 40,000 Volts by 2013. So that’s only $340 million being taken from low-end-car Peter to bribe high-end-shopper Paul.

Of course, that’s only the direct subsidies. IBM’s vice president for energy and utilities, Allan Schurr, estimates that 80 percent of vehicles aren’t parked in the garage of the person who owns them, which means there are going to have to be a lot of public charging stations built at taxpayer expense. And the gasoline that electric owners don’t consume also takes tax revenue out of the Highway Trust Fund, meaning that if there is massive penetration of cars that don’t use gasoline, some other way will have to be found to maintain transportation infrastructure.

Finally, there’s also the safety and insurance questions. We know that it costs more to insure hybrids than it does regular cars, and that it costs more to insure small cars than large cars. What we don’t know is: How much it will cost to insure an electric car that is small, quiet (making it harder for pedestrians to avoid), and laden with large batteries full of lithium, a hazardous, flammable substance? As Wikipedia points out, “Lithium batteries can provide extremely high currents and can discharge very rapidly when short-circuited. Although this is useful in applications where high currents are required, a too-rapid discharge of a lithium battery can result in overheating of the battery, rupture, and even explosion. Remember those pictures of laptop computers bursting into flames? Now imagine a car-sized battery.” How much will it cost the public if a Hazmat team has to turn out for major traffic accidents involving the Volt?

It makes me glad I take the Metro, though of course we apartment-living train riders (who are, in theory, far “greener” than home-owning drivers) get the worst of the deal. We get to pay for the subsidies, but are almost certainly not going to be buying the Volt, nor would we have electrified parking spaces if we did. Definitely re-Volting.

.you know who.

The American people, FORD is gaining market share and taking away sales from ObomaMotors.

A poster in his blind rage at being proven wrong so often on a whole host of subjects, mainly economic, fraudulently attributed the following as something Rat came up with. Rat did not. CS is the author.

how does a company return to profitability by building a $41,0000 car with the same performance and features of a $15,000 economy car.

The blind rage of the in error again poster would have known that if only he could follow a thread or in this case a train of thought and would have read what others were posting in stead of jumping in and throwing a once daily fit.

To entice motorists to buy these untested contraptions, the government will give each one a $7,500 subsidy, and another grand if they install their own charger at home (apartment owners of course, are out of luck, and get to subsidize homeowners with this one).

Hence my desire to pay zerO in Federal taxes again this year and to remain a welfare queen until the government "gets it".

I continue to own MLP's, Muni's and investments in O&G where I can hide most income from taxation by those ignorant cretins in DC.

Since the Re-Volting is such a market winner it should not need the US Tax payers support (money) it.

We now have GM taking money out of both of our pockets to pay for their continued operation.

They have not repaid all the money loaned to them.

They now need new money for the purchases going forward of the plug-n-play car.


Cobalt at a starting price has more interior room and cost MSR 15 K.

Less you loss sight of what the Volt was to look like

Cutting edge was the aim, dull ebonicsbox is what Gov't Motors produced.

Do stop commenting on a subject you are totally ignorant of. It just makes you look like a fool. "

LOL sense......the creationist who is an expert in everything science. Now, why don't you answer the question I posited instead of ducking, again, and again, and again....

Cariboue Barbie brought both a cheat sheet and a note on her palm to the interview on Fox "News" Sunday.

How cute

If commenting out of ignorance was a crime on CHT, not many of the conservatives here would show their faces.

If commenting out of ignorance"

Sad but true :( Sense tried to be the board monitor by telling me, that I should not but into discussions I know nothing about.....can you imagine???? The creationist, who thinks the bible is the answer to all of mans travails, gets his arse handed to him by WP, professes to be an expert on realitivity, while not realizing that theory is about gravity. His whole point was trying to prove that the theory of realitivity was irrelevant because it had contradictions.....The only contradiction is in that lipid cesspool of a brain he has. I asked him a simple question, he ducked, ran, declared victory and then had the audacity to that I should not participate!!! Dayum....this is a guy who constantly confuses opinion as science....too stupid for words.

Welcome to the Beavis and Butt Head echo chamber.

Hey Sense, since you cannot prove squat, here's a little link about E=MC2.....And please, sense, I'm trying to be nice to you so I won't say screw you....


Chuckle.

Welcome to the Beavis and Butt Head echo chamber. "

Dayum...glad to see you out of your coma.....

It makes me glad I take the Metro, though of course we apartment-living train riders (who are, in theory, far “greener” than home-owning drivers) get the worst of the deal. We get to pay for the subsidies, but are almost certainly not going to be buying the Volt, nor would we have electrified parking spaces if we did. Definitely re-Volting.

I have to agree. The Volt is certainly no more than a niche, just a step back from the rich man's toy Tesla. Drop-in replacements for ICE comfort vehicles is just not going to work, not with the current battery technology. Hybrids simply add complexity and cost for little or no gain. Volt or any other hybrid scheme. The only way electric vehicles will become mainstream is to re-purpose them: basic transportation for the vast majority of trips people take, and provide some feasible option for the remainder.

But GM doesn't have the imagination, which is why they're in such a mess in the first place. They can only do what they have been doing, offering the same product and the same image, with a little technological departure. It's throwing good money after bad. The only real benefit I can see is the very thing most people moan about: the looming necessity of building a network of public charging facilities, which will be prerequisite for some company that does have the imagination to fulfill actual transportation needs. When the infrastructure is there, only then will we see all sorts of lightweight, fast and efficient electric vehicles overrunning our streets.

Amen to WP well reasoned statements of fact.

WP, your comments on electric and hybrid vehicles is spot on. Both of them are the result of politics, not just Democratic politics, interfering with technology.

The Prius is a prime example. It is far more complex than a Corolla, yet yields little gain in MPG. At $3.00/gallon the car will be worn out and recycled before it pays back the additional costs associated with complexity.

The Volt will probably make GM money. But again, the politics drive it more than engineering and energy reality. I have made it clear many times that these vehicles are not THE answer, hell not even part of it. The gasoline, internal combustion engine will continue to be the primary automobile technology, unless there is something none of us can forsee, for 20 years or more in the future.

Something meaningless that I find amusing, is k'putz seems particularly upset that the prototype Volt looks a lot different than the production version. In that comment he reveals a very deep ignorance. It is very rare that the production verion has all the styling cues of a prototype. The realities of production drive those changes. It's very difficult to take a one off car and keep all the styling intact. It almost never happens.

hell not even part of it. The gasoline, internal combustion engine will continue to be the primary automobile technology, unless there is something none of us can forsee, for 20 years or more in the future.

I do not share in the pessimistic view of the poster that authored this.


I do believe that with each new improvement and the trial and error that progress is being made --- we will move away from gasoline engines more and more over the next 10 years.

Think Leaf.

WpHamilton, did you ever see the video, "Who Killed the Electric Car?"

k'putz, look up how much gasoline we use daily in the US alone to fuel our cars. To provide an infrastructure capable of replacing gasoline with any bio fuel, alcohol, needs an entirely different infrastructure. That alone, if we went all in, would take 10 years minimum.

As I said, your ignorance on such issues just makes you look foolish.

Leaf that.

Boy, dDid I just get a scare. I found myself in agreement with MissusPlaced's last post -- unless she's only being sarcastic.